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HansC

Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 4871 Location: S.F. Bay Area
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: Will Obama attend the Copenhagen Conference? |
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President Obama will almost certainly not travel to the Copenhagen climate change summit in December and may instead use his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech to set out US environmental goals, The Times has learnt. . .
. . .a source close to the Administration said it was “hard to see the benefit” of his going to Copenhagen if there was no comprehensive deal for him to close or sign. Another expert, who did not want to be named, said he would be “really, really shocked” if Mr Obama went to Copenhagen, adding that European hopes about the power of his Administration to transform the climate change debate in a matter of months bore little relation to reality. The comprehensive climate change treaty that for years has been the goal of the Copenhagen conference was now an “unrealistic” prospect,. .
Will He go, or not?
On Oct 24, the politburo in Wash. D.C. announced that their leader, Obama will not be going to Copenhagen. It is hard to imagine that such a narcissist can pass up another opportunity to bask in the glow of his enchanted followers on a world wide scale. Perhaps, POTUS will not show to work on his "humble man" image.
What do you think, will he show, or not? |
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savedonce
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Kathleen

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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| savedonce wrote: | | http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091031/sc_afp/climatewarmingunusgoreobama_20091031155659 |
The White House said on October 2 that Obama would consider attending the climate talks in Copenhagen if the meeting is elevated to the level of heads of state. |
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Kathleen

Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 5611 Location: AntelopeValley CA the High Desert
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Will Obama attend the Copenhagen Conference? |
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| HansC wrote: | President Obama will almost certainly not travel to the Copenhagen climate change summit in December and may instead use his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech to set out US environmental goals, The Times has learnt. . .
. . .a source close to the Administration said it was “hard to see the benefit” of his going to Copenhagen if there was no comprehensive deal for him to close or sign. Another expert, who did not want to be named, said he would be “really, really shocked” if Mr Obama went to Copenhagen, adding that European hopes about the power of his Administration to transform the climate change debate in a matter of months bore little relation to reality. The comprehensive climate change treaty that for years has been the goal of the Copenhagen conference was now an “unrealistic” prospect,. .
Will He go, or not?
On Oct 24, the politburo in Wash. D.C. announced that their leader, Obama will not be going to Copenhagen. It is hard to imagine that such a narcissist can pass up another opportunity to bask in the glow of his enchanted followers on a world wide scale. Perhaps, POTUS will not show to work on his "humble man" image.
What do you think, will he show, or not? |
i'm not sure.. but i lean towards yes... |
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terra64

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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I bet he goes |
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Brother Philip

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| terra64 wrote: | | I bet he goes | i bet they bring it to him |
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llindsey
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: Will Obama attend the Copenhagen Conference? |
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| I say he goes ,it would be another photo op for him.. |
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iris
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| Brother Philip is right. Solana and other EU officials are on their way here to "talk" to Obama. My guess is we'll have a carbon (pun not intended) copy of what they will regarding emissions, etc. It will just be presented American style so as not to be seen for what it is. |
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Brother Philip

Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 4611 Location: Choose you this day, whom ye shall serve
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| iris wrote: | | Brother Philip is right. Solana and other EU officials are on their way here to "talk" to Obama. My guess is we'll have a carbon (pun not intended) copy of what they will regarding emissions, etc. It will just be presented American style so as not to be seen for what it is. | signed here or there ,same thing------- dont need a birth certificate to be prez----- why fly for a signature, we are one of the leading countries-they will bring it to us and radify it in Copenhagen--------- |
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Brother Philip

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:02 am Post subject: Re: Will Obama attend the Copenhagen Conference? |
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| llindsey wrote: | | I say he goes ,it would be another photo op for him.. | he would just buy another suit on OUR tab |
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Kathleen

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Brother Philip wrote: | | iris wrote: | | Brother Philip is right. Solana and other EU officials are on their way here to "talk" to Obama. My guess is we'll have a carbon (pun not intended) copy of what they will regarding emissions, etc. It will just be presented American style so as not to be seen for what it is. | signed here or there ,same thing------- dont need a birth certificate to be prez----- why fly for a signature, we are one of the leading countries-they will bring it to us and radify it in Copenhagen--------- |
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Michael
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: |
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6901763.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=1185799
Binding treaty no longer a realistic goal for climate summit, UN chief concedes
A legally binding agreement on cutting greenhouse gas emissions is no longer a realistic goal for next month’s Copenhagen summit, the UN Secretary-General says.
According to Ban Ki Moon such an agreement will not be signed next month and the most likely outcome is voluntary targets, which countries could announce but then ignore.
He said that several key countries were not ready to sign up to binding targets and that the best the world could hope for from the summit would be “political commitments”. Mr Ban said he hoped that they would be legally binding within a year but would be dependent on each country.
His comments, made in London, marked a significant retreat from the UN’s previous plan for a new treaty to be signed at Copenhagen to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012. Mr Ban said: “It may be realistic if we think Copenhagen will not be the final word on all these matters. But if we agree on a strong politically binding commitment that will be, I think, a reasonable success. Then the post-Copenhagen negotiations will continue so that we have a legally binding agreement as soon as possible.
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“Each and every country has their own domestic constraints when they go back — no country will be totally free, that is the difficulty. It is a very complex process including verification systems, targets and money. It is not an easy task. That is why I am saying Copenhagen is not the final word.”
Mr Ban also said that developed nations would have to increase the amount that they paid to poorer countries to help them to adapt to climate change. Asked whether he believed that the European Union’s proposal of a fund of up to $50 billion of public money a year would be sufficient, he said: “As we go into the future, I think that should be scaled up.”
He said that generous funding needed to be agreed to build trust among developing countries, which have accused richer nations of creating climate change but leaving them to face the consequences. “We should admit that there are some suspicions and distrust, particularly on the part of developing countries.”
He also suggested that the global target for limiting the temperature increase to 2C above pre-industrial levels might have to be adjusted because it could still result in sea-level rises inundating many small islands. “These small-island developing countries say that it should be a maximum of 1.5C. For them it’s a matter of life and death.”
Mr Ban said that he was working closely with members of the US Senate, which is debating proposed legislation on cutting carbon dioxide emissions. He also suggested that President Obama and other world leaders needed to be present at the end of the Copenhagen summit to ensure an ambitious political agreement. “The urgency and importance of the work requires political leadership. I would expect many leaders will come.”
Mr Ban was speaking as 50 African countries boycotted UN meetings on climate change in Barcelona. They accused developed nations of settingweak targets for cutting emissions. The African countries said that they would not discuss how developing countries could reduce their emissions until there were more stretching commitments from richer nations. “I don’t think we can get to a result in the way we’re going now,” said Kamel Djemouai, the Algerian negotiator who chairs the Africa group.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said that developed countries should reduce emissions by 25 to 40 per cent from 1990 levels by 2020, but the targets announced have fallen short.
Anders Turesson, the chief delegate from Sweden, which holds the EU presidency, said that while EU leaders shared the Africans’ concern about the low level of pledges, their tactic of limiting the discussion to emission targets was unproductive. |
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Tia

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| He wouldn't miss a photo op, I'm betting he goes. |
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Redeemed777

Joined: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 2898 Location: America..He who is led by God,will best lead His nation
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other one

Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 12036 Location: Oklahoma
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:13 am Post subject: |
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http://www.therepublicantemple.com/2009/11/11/obama-to-bring-world-tax-back-from-copenhagen/
I agree Redeemed, this sort of goes with that Cap and Trade thing that they have been playing with in Congress. Between the two of them, this would be the worse of them for it would be very difficult to get out of. Obama will sign this thing in a heart beat, but it still has to be ratified in congress for it to be law, and that will be a bit more difficult. That might start something they hadn't accounted for. |
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